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Post by Ainge 4 Heisman on Dec 13, 2006 2:36:57 GMT -5
Very lol Reading some of this stuff was like going over a script for Springer.
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Post by Mr.LK. on Dec 13, 2006 2:37:18 GMT -5
I will say this, if the powers that be decide to make a change so be it. Do it for the reasons of the record, do not do it because of one group of players and parents. I am done with this thread because I dont want to piss anyone off, I just think that if this incident runs him off, then the next coach should beware.
Sincerely Len Pierce sheep bah bah hahahaha
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Post by ae2 on Dec 13, 2006 2:38:28 GMT -5
bahhhh
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Post by guest on Dec 13, 2006 2:39:14 GMT -5
Zook, I don't mean to question everything you say and I am glad you nvever had to pay. That was not the point but when you did play for him he must have been different. Have you played for him the the last two years? The point about paying was that he was being backed even though were did not always agree. It was when at least 3 players were benched at the AE game because someone told pierce a new game plan to use the stats as an indicator on who was getting it done. We played the quickest team in a while, he puts in four big men, puts them down low to see if he can somehow slow the game and get a shot over someones head. Heard it over and over. Kline, Marlow, Brent,... He does not have those players. Don't try and change a tire if you don't have a jack. You can't make a screwdriver into a jack. a 5'10'' hustler (3 of them) is not a shrp shooting marlow, or kline. although they move much faster.
Len always talked before but he knew he did wrong that day and even admitted he may have been wrong but never told the kids or spoke to the parents who he used to talk to easily.
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Post by Mr.LK. on Dec 13, 2006 2:42:01 GMT -5
Yes I have, but I am done with this thread, dont want to piss anyone else off!!!!!!!!!
I thought what they done was wrong, some of you thought it was right, thats what this is for. I like each and everyone of those boys that "boycotted" tonight. Although I strongly disagree with how they showed disapproval. I thought we all brought up some valid points, and for the most part I respect most of the opinions.
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Post by Big Blue on Dec 13, 2006 6:24:25 GMT -5
WOW!! I have just spent the past 30 minutes catching up on this thread. I'm glad that there is a renewed interest in CC basketball. One of the biggest problems is, that the politics of the game will always outweigh the game in this county. They have the same problems in other counties also, it just seems that we (CC) seem to carry things to new heights.
A Coach being hardheaded and taking his stand will be tolerated by most when there is a winning record to go with it. But when you fail to succeed in the W column, things begin to change. It is very clear that this current team and Coach P are not on the same page and need to part ways. For a coach to go to the point where he has now, is too far and you have to ask why is he doing it to begin with? What is his motivation? Is it only for the money? I think that when you start getting away from the players and the game itself, you have to really examine yourself as a coach in the mirror.
It's really sad to watch the things happen here at times. You first start coaching at the JR. Pro level and the parents really don't know any better than the coach. At Elementary level, winning becomes a little more important and that's where money really first gets it's teeth involved and the game begins to change. At Middle school, it's full blown politics and who's who is behind all the decisions. Coaches are pulled every different direction by parents and sadly this is where the sport (the players and the Game) really begin to suffer. Even current coaches at this level, don't care, want to or will admit that it is currently taking place.
As long as there will ever be sports in this county, the players will always pay for the sins of the parents. It doesn't matter how many times a player has proven themself, spent their own time dedicated to their sport or justed purely LOVED the game. A coach has their own reasons for everything they do. Whether it is parents, players or the game, a coach has to look in the mirror and ask himself, why? I would really like to hope that coaches in this county are not just doing it for the money. I know that "the love of money is the root of all evil", but surely that wouldn't happen here? Coach needs to ask himself, why did these boys do this and is it worth it to me to continue?
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Post by pawpaw75 on Dec 13, 2006 8:30:52 GMT -5
been reading all the post. wow what a night in cougar land. some mixed reviews on here. from parents, fans, pro's and con's on what to do. there are supporters of coach p and deporters of coach p. i for one think that if the coach is making that many waves in the pool and the kids are still drowning, then its time for a new face . my example is bruce pearl. he took tn to the next level with the same players, its a proven fact the a good coach can make a middle of the pack team, a real contender, there is some talent at CCHS. maybe not state title talent, but talent none the less. i think ae. big blue. and others make great points in what needs to happen next. i think zook has played for coach , has no kids and is blinded by his loyalty. i guess everyone in cougar land knows the great kermit m. i was at a git n go a year or so ago and had lunch at a table with him, it wasnt funny at the time but he said to us that coach len didnt know his x's from his o's , that len didnt harbour a true team atmophere, coach never pushed grades , school work and wasn't involved with making a difference in the boys life, he for one said looking back he blamed len for some things that happened to him in his short college career . len was there to sit in the seat marked for the coach, and eat the buffet in the hospitality rooms. what is wrong and what is right is between the kids and the parents. not alot of "know it all's" including me..ouch!!! its actually very simple , coach len is the bus driver and the team is on this bus, if someone gets teased or picked on during the ride home , there isnt alot he can do about that. but if he runs the bus in the ditch time and time again. ITS time for a new bus driver..... and maybe the next one will actually make sure the kids arrive home safe and sound....
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Post by cougar4life on Dec 13, 2006 8:51:55 GMT -5
Here's a thought, let's get the coaches at lms to take over. wow, i can't believe i didn't think of it before! That would solve everything!
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Post by brentmcneeley on Dec 13, 2006 9:02:28 GMT -5
i said a while back that pierce was the coach, ONLY HIM! and he still is, i also said that i questioned the players loyalty to the team, and well................what happened last night. i am dissappointed in the team to say the least. ask anyone who ever played for vic king, he was the coach, and what was said was the law, but the players loved thecompetition of the game, or they wouldnt have been there in the first place. what happened to the raw love and grit for the game in itself. i know losing is terrible, i know i have had my fair share of it, but i loved the game! the coach is the coach until there is another one, simple enough. these boys have possibly thrown away any chance of a basketball career after high school. college scouts dont want quitters, they don't even pay attention if a team wins or loses, they pay attention to a player who has talent and the fire in there eyes, and pure love for the game! to me these boys don't have it.
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Post by thepat24 on Dec 13, 2006 10:42:10 GMT -5
I don't know all the stuff that led up to the walkout/mass quitting so I am going to stay out of this until I know more.
The one thing I can say is that I coached one of the players that is involved in football and he was the most coachable kid I ever had the pleasure of coaching. It must have been bad for him to quit at anything.
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Post by Ainge 4 Heisman on Dec 13, 2006 11:32:29 GMT -5
I think I know who Pat is talking about, and he can back me up on this, for him to quit, and for his dad to let him, things are REALLY bad. The only reason that I can fathom this happening is that this was the only way that a change will be made. This is the only way that the school board would take notice. I think the only thing they could have done better was to have this "boycott" before the season even started. If your going to start something, you need to finish it. If that had happened would we be sitting here talking about how they are quitters? I dont believe so, I think everyone would be agreeing on what half the people are saying in here, and that is these kids walked away from a game they loved so that the future of CC basketball wouldnt be at stake.
Great bus driver analogy btw.
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Post by Ball Coach on Dec 13, 2006 12:06:55 GMT -5
OK I just got caught up on here......Coach Kesselring left because the grass was greener at KARNS....KARNS of all places. Why??? Money, one will not coach in CC because this admin. thinks they can throw out scraps and not get the scavengers of the coaching world. If you are putting out bologna you will get bologna eating coaches...if you put out fillet mignon you will get fillet eating coaches.
I really like/have liked as a family friend, coach P. I can with some authority say the game has passed him, and he refuses to adjust. The W/L record says it all, but he is still a guy I'd go have pizza and beer with.
Someone said just because you do well when you are young and at the AAU level it means nothing. Typically AAU is the elite playing the elite, and if one has the talent to play at that level then with some improvement and fine tuning of his game H.S. basketball should come easily. A coach can take kids and improve them, but I do not see the improvement.
Brent...sorry to single you out, but coaches at the college level certainly do pay attention to the W/L record. Check a college roster, at least higher level 1-a and 1-aa and you see very few kids from losing programs. Why do programs lose...can it be because they year in year out have no talent...NO!!!!! Coaching reflects W/L if you are 5-20 or 1-9 etc. then something is wrong at a higher level...the normal development of athletes under good coaches does not occur thus the interest from the next level does not come because they want athletes that are performing at a high level, know what it takes to win, and have potential for further improvement. Also when one endures year after year of losing it begins to wear on the psyche. Most of the time it is sub-conscious, but the losers mentality creeps in, and it is hard to work it out. You begin to look for that 4th quarter mistake that will cost you yet another heart-breaker instead of the opening to finish off an opponent that is on the ropes. You find yourself preparing to "keep it close" rather than win, and more sadly you do lose your feeling of team due to the lack of leadership from the top.
The CC admin. needs an enema. Let us grade them...shall we?
Academics: F (Not to say there aren't SOME good teachers but 50% grad. rates and lower is unacceptable.)
Athletics: F (The majority of the teams at CC had sub. 500 records this calender year.)
Morale: D (Kids aren't excited about their school and its achievements)
Substance Intervention: F (CC's drug problem is out of control)
Extra curricular support: D (if a club/org. needs something they get it themselves.)
Safety: C- ( I have on good authority that little has change in wake of the tragedies a year ago)
It is business as usual for CC we just have bad kids would be their answer...we can't win, graduate, or compete outside our little county bubble. The complacency with mediocrity is a sad state of affairs that parents should not tolerate...I would not send either of my two boxers to CC for obedience training if I had a choice in the matter!!!!!!!
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Post by Big Blue on Dec 13, 2006 12:18:50 GMT -5
Here's a thought, let's get the coaches at lms to take over. wow, i can't believe i didn't think of it before! That would solve everything! How funny!  LOL |
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Post by thepat24 on Dec 13, 2006 12:28:39 GMT -5
I have to say that I am happy to see that everybody here that disagree with each other are still being respectful to those on the other side of the issue. I am proud of all of you for that.
As to Brucepearl4prez, you are right in thinking of who I am talking about. It should be easy to figure out for anybody here that wants to think about it, I only coached one member of the group that left. He would not have quit just to be cool or follow the group.
Over the next several days I am going to attempt to talk to the seven who left the team, as well as coach Pierce, to try to get all sides of the situation out in the open.
I really like all of the kids that left. The ones that played at LMS were all great to me when I would show up to cover their games for the Times. The one that played at JMS is somebody that I consider a part of my family, as I do the majority of kids that have played for me. I wish there was a better way to solve this.
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Post by Has Been on Dec 13, 2006 17:45:21 GMT -5
Brent said it well, coach Vic King`s word was law, and the players responded with effort, hussle, and respect. You could always ask him a question and he would give you an honest answer. I might not always agree, or be the answer I wanted, but he would speak to me with respect and explain the \"whys\". BUT we did it his way. So it can be done with respect and (without telling parents to \"Kiss........\") as he did that for many years.
In fact we all know he would be, and should have been the man for the job. He demanded excellence at all times, both on floor and in the hallways and I am a better person today as a result. I can safely say I was a much better player when I left middle school school then when I arrived, I can safely say I learned not one thing nor improved very much in high school. That includes BOTH Pierce and Hunley. Both had their good points, but Hunley could not even spell discipline. You did what you wanted when you wanted. Pray we do not go there again (even though it is his turn)I feel sure Coach King would never return as long as Seale is at CCHS and thats a shame.
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LOL