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Post by cchsparent on Mar 22, 2007 9:11:47 GMT -5
I continue to read comments regarding the need for improvement with teams and coaches. I am astounded however with the lack of intellegence that is associated with these comments. Everyone wants improvement, however when changes are made everyone bauks at the notion of things being done differently. Take a trip outside this county and look at what's going on around us. Here are a few examples:
1) Coahes are expected to win!
2) Players are expected to work HARD!!
3) Parents let the coaches coach, the kids play, and deal with their frustrations if they have them in a private manner.
4) Yes there is fundraising, all schools are basically going to play to pay, and ALL players are required to participate in the fundraising. Yes, other teams raise money to take trips outside the area.
Plus too many more to mention. What this all boils down to is the lack of basic fundamentals being taught at a young age, and an unwillingness to realize this fact. The small town mentality of thinking we can continue to play small town politics when it comes to our children. This includes academics as well as athletics. We need improvements and we will have to look outside this county to do so.
I heard a comment the other day that sums up our sports in this community. Senior league heroes, Junior Pro heroes, pee wee heroes, then most become high school zeros.
Just a few questions for those of you coaching the younger kids.
1) Have you ever attended a real coaches clinic?
2) Do you seek advise from the high school coaches?
3) Is winning more important to you than teaching these kids how to play the game?
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Post by sportsnut on Mar 22, 2007 14:00:18 GMT -5
Excellent Post!
I wish that all of the coaches from Junior Pro., Little League Baseball, Elementary Basketball and on up through middle school ages would ask themselves these questions. Let's review what the answers would and should be!
1. Most coaches can't answer "yes" to this question. You can learn more at one good coaches clinic than you can by setting on your butt and watching from the stands or on the TV for years.
2. Almost all coaches would have to say "no" here for sure. Our high school coaches shouldn't have to spend the majority of their time teaching fundamentals because that is what the youth coach should be doing.
3. If winning is more important than teaching the sport with young kids, then the answer should always be to, "not coach". This is the most important question of all. If winning is your main priority, then you need to do a single participant sport for yourself, like tennis, horseshoes or something. But please, stay away from the kids!!
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Post by tnbucs1 on Mar 22, 2007 14:50:08 GMT -5
The coaches teaching fundamentals is one thing, the coaches making sure those fundamentals are applied in games is another. Good example is boxing out. It is a simple fundamental of basketball that most players are taught at a young age, however at every level of ball from highschool to junior pro it is rarely applied. it is assumed the players know to do it and will. This is not the case and that is where the coach comes in. if the game is played fundamentally sound the winning will take care of itself. Learning new things at coachs clinics is great, but a lot of progress can be made in applying what is already known and often forgotten.
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Post by thepat24 on Mar 23, 2007 9:09:23 GMT -5
I never understand why folks don't go to coaching clinics. They are informative, fun, and well worth the money.
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Post by joshjames2 on Mar 23, 2007 11:38:13 GMT -5
I am getting sick of people saying look outside the county for a coach. That's what this county needs to do. Whoever says and agrees to that obviously does not know the game of basketball. High school coaches are based upon wins and losses. If you don't win then you should be gone. Middle school should be teaching the game and getting them ready for the high school level. Jr.Pro. is for the kids and letting them have fun. If your kid does not pick up on the game in what 6 or 7 years, then Im sorry they're just not any good. All this talk about coaching clinics is rediculous. Someone either knows the game or they dont. Im sorry but sending someone to a couple coaching clinics is not going to get that coach ready for crucial situations that happen in every single game. All that will happen is that Blevins will put another person at the end of the bench and we all will complain on how that person doesnt have a clue. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME...
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Post by peeblee on Mar 23, 2007 11:52:29 GMT -5
sorry to inform you of this but coaching clinics can be a very informative and a great learning experience...one of the best ways to learn is from others who are involved in teh same activity...once you think you know everyhing, then you know nothing...
just like some high school players think they know more than the coach, then they should be gone...or just quit and run ...
now that is what makes me sick!!!
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Post by peeblee on Mar 23, 2007 13:38:26 GMT -5
Patrick, what is your take on coaching clinics...you have attended a few..other than all the food they have, what is your opinion???
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Post by thepat24 on Mar 23, 2007 14:05:05 GMT -5
I love them. You are never too good or too old to stop learning new things.
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Post by ae2 on Mar 23, 2007 14:38:53 GMT -5
I agree on both parts...coaching clinics are very informative...however you have to have a little knowledge of the game beforehand! If "Johnny Q" knew absoltley nothing about the game and went to a clinic...he would not get as much out of it ,as say a person who knew the game!
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Post by georgia 1974 on Mar 23, 2007 15:02:38 GMT -5
last year the league i coached in got a coach at i higher level to come in to teach some basic drills that the coaches could use for the fundamentals and you could count on one hand the number of coaches that came and this one was free most coaches are in to make jr the show and could care less about the other kids they should have to coach a team with no ties to them then they might i say might try to do it right
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Post by cchsparent on Mar 23, 2007 21:48:20 GMT -5
josh you are a perfect example of what's wrong with sports here. Knowledge is a very powerful tool, try getting some it may help. A few years of playing experience doesn't necessarily make a good coach.
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Post by Cougs on Mar 24, 2007 9:51:28 GMT -5
I agree with Josh on the point that Jr. Pro is suppose to be fun. I started coaching when my daughter now 16 was 5 and my son 14 was 4. I didn't start coaching with the intentions that she or my son were going to be the next Michael Jordan. High School never entered my mind. That isn't the case these days a lot of parents start now and believe that they can groom their kid to be the best...and not in a good way. Don't get me wrong I back my kids 100% in whatever sport they play and give them the opportunities that they need to better themselves. But I never started with the dream that my kids will be at the top no matter what....their kids usually doesn't have fun because they are being driven by a parent that wishes they were the best when they were a kid! And they intend for their kid to be what they couldn't be. I agree on the count that either you got it or you don't! I have seen hundreds of kids that couldn't dribble and chew gum at the same time....it just wasn't meant to be. My 8 yr. old plays Jr. Pro and his team didn't win one game this year. His coach is a guy from Ohio and is in the Ohio basketball Hall of fame. But the teams we played were loaded. They were made to be the best teams. He had a bunch of kids that just wanted to have fun and play basketball and he was teaching them the fundamentals. The other teams, and I can say almost all of the teams my son played against their coaches was only in it to win. My son was just happy to be there and play, he had fun! And at the age 8 I'm not going to put a burden on him and make him feel like he failed because his team wasn't the best. And coaching.....you can take the best player at any level (adults) and that doesn't mean they can coach. I have seen many great players that couldn't coach a 5 yr old team. Not everyone has the ability and wisdom to coach. BUT I do agree that the ones that are coaches and have that ability that they can always make themselves better. The fundamentals are always the same but the game is always changing. So it is in the best interest of the kids and the coach to better their skills in clinics and whatever means are available. Even Pat Summit asks for advice sometimes.
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Post by Ball Coach on Mar 24, 2007 11:59:19 GMT -5
I agree with Josh on the point that Jr. Pro is suppose to be fun. I started coaching when my daughter now 16 was 5 and my son 14 was 4. I didn't start coaching with the intentions that she or my son were going to be the next Michael Jordan. High School never entered my mind. That isn't the case these days a lot of parents start now and believe that they can groom their kid to be the best...and not in a good way. Don't get me wrong I back my kids 100% in whatever sport they play and give them the opportunities that they need to better themselves. But I never started with the dream that my kids will be at the top no matter what....their kids usually doesn't have fun because they are being driven by a parent that wishes they were the best when they were a kid! And they intend for their kid to be what they couldn't be. I agree on the count that either you got it or you don't! I have seen hundreds of kids that couldn't dribble and chew gum at the same time....it just wasn't meant to be. My 8 yr. old plays Jr. Pro and his team didn't win one game this year. His coach is a guy from Ohio and is in the Ohio basketball Hall of fame. But the teams we played were loaded. They were made to be the best teams. He had a bunch of kids that just wanted to have fun and play basketball and he was teaching them the fundamentals. The other teams, and I can say almost all of the teams my son played against their coaches was only in it to win. My son was just happy to be there and play, he had fun! And at the age 8 I'm not going to put a burden on him and make him feel like he failed because his team wasn't the best. And coaching.....you can take the best player at any level (adults) and that doesn't mean they can coach. I have seen many great players that couldn't coach a 5 yr old team. Not everyone has the ability and wisdom to coach. BUT I do agree that the ones that are coaches and have that ability that they can always make themselves better. The fundamentals are always the same but the game is always changing. So it is in the best interest of the kids and the coach to better their skills in clinics and whatever means are available. Even Pat Summit asks for advice sometimes. Nice Post. |
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Post by tarheelfan on Mar 24, 2007 15:18:13 GMT -5
josh james i totally agree with you.
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Post by ae2 on Mar 25, 2007 0:55:42 GMT -5
Josh James is a fine man!!!!!
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