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Post by orangewashed on Apr 12, 2007 13:21:52 GMT -5
Rhino is his dad and he is my son~ Keenan was held back his 6th grade yr. He was an A & B student. He passed with no question. It was for his future in all aspects. He was very immature and sports played a big part in our decision. As everyone knows! We have 8 kids. And yes, education is very important. Rhino is going to school and finishes this summer. Our oldest is in college, 4.0 GPA.....and our 16 yr old has a 4.12 in HS. Maturity was one of the factors and it has paid off. In everyday life and in sports! Like Redhound said, kids are graduating to early and no where ready for the real world. Like I stated before we are going to do what is best for our kids. We don't factor in who might get mad or who thinks we are crazy we just factor in what is best for our kids! I would have never thought that he was held back for sports reasons. But thanks for confirming my point that you realize that 9th graders playing against 7th and 8th graders have a big advantage. And that LaFollette, not necessarily because they are more talented, have a big advantage over other schools because they have several kids like this, that some other schools do not have. They are talented kids no doubt, but as I stated before, the extra year some of them have, give them a huge edge. |
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Post by Mr.LK. on Apr 12, 2007 21:28:00 GMT -5
The edge helps of course, but if its within the rules and the wishes of the parents I have nothing against it.
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Post by Rhino on Apr 12, 2007 22:18:53 GMT -5
Rhino is his dad and he is my son~ Keenan was held back his 6th grade yr. He was an A & B student. He passed with no question. It was for his future in all aspects. He was very immature and sports played a big part in our decision. As everyone knows! We have 8 kids. And yes, education is very important. Rhino is going to school and finishes this summer. Our oldest is in college, 4.0 GPA.....and our 16 yr old has a 4.12 in HS. Maturity was one of the factors and it has paid off. In everyday life and in sports! Like Redhound said, kids are graduating to early and no where ready for the real world. Like I stated before we are going to do what is best for our kids. We don't factor in who might get mad or who thinks we are crazy we just factor in what is best for our kids! I would have never thought that he was held back for sports reasons. But thanks for confirming my point that you realize that 9th graders playing against 7th and 8th graders have a big advantage. And that LaFollette, not necessarily because they are more talented, have a big advantage over other schools because they have several kids like this, that some other schools do not have. They are talented kids no doubt, but as I stated before, the extra year some of them have, give them a huge edge. That is the whole point, it does give them an edge. With Keenan it was about a 50/50 decision that was not just acted upon. I talked to several people about what I was doing with his future. He was very immature then and the comments that parents and teachers give me is the fact that it has helped him considerably. As an added bonus it helped in other (sports) areas as well but that is not solely why he was held back. Ask stinersmom about how it helped her son. There are other coaches in the county that have said that they wished they would have held their own kids back. Keenan's leadership ability is far greater now than it would have been otherwise. His focus and drive are ten-fold what it was and that is a good thing, I have a 5 year old daughter who is almost a whole head taller than anybody in her class and don't think that it wouldn't help her to be held back. All these things that I have mentioned earlier makes a kid more dedicated in the classroom as well as more coachable in the sports arena. If you have kids that are younger ask around and find out what teachers and coaches think about a kid who is a year older and how that plays into the education process as well as athletics, because it is not breaking the rules. Your statement about a huge edge is the whole point because the kids are not judged in the athletic field or in the classroom on their age but against the kids in the same grade level, i.e their senior year for scholarships. If it benefits my kids for this to be done then so be it because I want only the best for mine. If a parent asks me about the whole deal I have only to point out mine. I guess I am agreeing that it does help but not only in sports but school and life in general. I went back to school 14 years after graduating high school and it was easy to see the difference in the way I conducted myself in the college classroom versus freshly graduated young men and women. I was older than most of my professors. For me the decision to hold Keenan back was not very difficult because I talked to people who have been teachers since I was in high school and parents who had already seen the benefits in their own kids. If you are saying that the playing field is unfair because a kid is a year older the TSSAA and myself would have to disagree with what you are saying because every parent has the same opportunity. |
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Post by orangewashed on Apr 13, 2007 2:41:30 GMT -5
Rhino dotted all of the I's and crossed all of the T's ....but I just want to ask you point blank...Do your kids go to Jacksboro or Jellico? Because that is the only reason that you would have any qualm with Keenan beating kids here in the county. Does it make you mad that we beat teams out of the county??? You would think that you would be for beating Jefferson, Robertsville, Norris, Maynardville...and I could go on....you have to be a parent that is mad. Because if not, Your mad cause we are beating out of the county schools??? Why does a person have to be mad to make a point? That is just a curious thought. I only mentioned Keenan after his mother stated who she was in relation to him. I would not have singled out him or any other child in this. By the way, just so that you will know that I have nothing against Keenan personally, the few times that I have met him, he comes across to me as a giant of a kid with the heart of a lamb. I said that because I did not want the person that thinks I brought this up just because I am mad at someone. I did not want this person to state that I was mad at Keenan for some reason. The problem I have with this is, Rhino stated that his son, Keenan made A's and B's in the sixth grade, yet he was held back, part of the reasoning for this was, admitted by Rhino, to give Keenan an advantage on the playing field. I just have a problem with holding a child back for this reasoning. I also have a problem with the school system for allowing a child that is an honor student to be held back. I talked to someone in the central office yesterday about this matter, this person told me there is no way the child should have been allowed to have been held back for any reason with grades that qualify him for honors. Now, someone else mentioned that this goes on all over. I know for fact the Memphis schools have done it forever. That is why their schools have had such highly regarded basketball programs over the years and still is regarded as a hot spot for college basketball recruiting. Doing this is one of those areas where there really is no right or wrong, but is somewhere in between. Rhino and his wife made their decision, to them, it is the right thing to do. Some others would see it as appalling. I have not been in that situation, so I just do not have any idea whether it is the right thing to do or not, but I sure got you folks to talking about it and thinking about it didn't I. |
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Post by Cougs on Apr 13, 2007 10:11:43 GMT -5
Rhino dotted all of the I's and crossed all of the T's ....but I just want to ask you point blank...Do your kids go to Jacksboro or Jellico? Because that is the only reason that you would have any qualm with Keenan beating kids here in the county. Does it make you mad that we beat teams out of the county??? You would think that you would be for beating Jefferson, Robertsville, Norris, Maynardville...and I could go on....you have to be a parent that is mad. Because if not, Your mad cause we are beating out of the county schools??? Why does a person have to be mad to make a point? That is just a curious thought. I only mentioned Keenan after his mother stated who she was in relation to him. I would not have singled out him or any other child in this. By the way, just so that you will know that I have nothing against Keenan personally, the few times that I have met him, he comes across to me as a giant of a kid with the heart of a lamb. I said that because I did not want the person that thinks I brought this up just because I am mad at someone. I did not want this person to state that I was mad at Keenan for some reason. The problem I have with this is, Rhino stated that his son, Keenan made A's and B's in the sixth grade, yet he was held back, part of the reasoning for this was, admitted by Rhino, to give Keenan an advantage on the playing field. I just have a problem with holding a child back for this reasoning. I also have a problem with the school system for allowing a child that is an honor student to be held back. I talked to someone in the central office yesterday about this matter, this person told me there is no way the child should have been allowed to have been held back for any reason with grades that qualify him for honors. Now, someone else mentioned that this goes on all over. I know for fact the Memphis schools have done it forever. That is why their schools have had such highly regarded basketball programs over the years and still is regarded as a hot spot for college basketball recruiting. Doing this is one of those areas where there really is no right or wrong, but is somewhere in between. Rhino and his wife made their decision, to them, it is the right thing to do. Some others would see it as appalling. I have not been in that situation, so I just do not have any idea whether it is the right thing to do or not, but I sure got you folks to talking about it and thinking about it didn't I. I wasn't referring that you were mad at Keenan...just asking does it make you mad that our school is winning? And believe me...it is always a team effort not just because we held Keenan back. He wasn't playing chess...being a one man game! He was part of a team! Thank you Subject closed! |
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Post by Cougs on Apr 13, 2007 14:39:27 GMT -5
LMS boys placed 2nd yesterday at Oak Ridge.
* LMS & JMS have a home meet Monday~
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Post by Rhino on Apr 13, 2007 17:26:55 GMT -5
Rhino dotted all of the I's and crossed all of the T's ....but I just want to ask you point blank...Do your kids go to Jacksboro or Jellico? Because that is the only reason that you would have any qualm with Keenan beating kids here in the county. Does it make you mad that we beat teams out of the county??? You would think that you would be for beating Jefferson, Robertsville, Norris, Maynardville...and I could go on....you have to be a parent that is mad. Because if not, Your mad cause we are beating out of the county schools??? Why does a person have to be mad to make a point? That is just a curious thought. I only mentioned Keenan after his mother stated who she was in relation to him. I would not have singled out him or any other child in this. By the way, just so that you will know that I have nothing against Keenan personally, the few times that I have met him, he comes across to me as a giant of a kid with the heart of a lamb. I said that because I did not want the person that thinks I brought this up just because I am mad at someone. I did not want this person to state that I was mad at Keenan for some reason. The problem I have with this is, Rhino stated that his son, Keenan made A's and B's in the sixth grade, yet he was held back, part of the reasoning for this was, admitted by Rhino, to give Keenan an advantage on the playing field. I just have a problem with holding a child back for this reasoning. I also have a problem with the school system for allowing a child that is an honor student to be held back. I talked to someone in the central office yesterday about this matter, this person told me there is no way the child should have been allowed to have been held back for any reason with grades that qualify him for honors. Now, someone else mentioned that this goes on all over. I know for fact the Memphis schools have done it forever. That is why their schools have had such highly regarded basketball programs over the years and still is regarded as a hot spot for college basketball recruiting. Doing this is one of those areas where there really is no right or wrong, but is somewhere in between. Rhino and his wife made their decision, to them, it is the right thing to do. Some others would see it as appalling. I have not been in that situation, so I just do not have any idea whether it is the right thing to do or not, but I sure got you folks to talking about it and thinking about it didn't I. First of all, second paragraph, Vixen made the statement about the grades. Keenan's first 6th grade year I was receiving comments about how immature he was and that is what sparked my interest into the whole thing. I talked to several well-respected educators at both middle schools and the high school and they agreed with me that this would help him immensely and that is what I did. My wife, Keenan,and I sat down and talked about it and on the first day of the next school year the decision was made final. The thought about his getting as big as he is now was not even in my wildest dreams and he is still growing. Sure this helps him on the playing field and that is not anybodies fault. During his time at the middle school he has grown about 16-18 inches and gained about 100 pounds. His first year of football he led the longest drive we had for the season at Jellico when Preston hurt his hand and had to come out for a while. I don't understand why this is such a big deal in your eyes because anybody who knows me knows this is what had been done. I do know that my youngest son will be taking the same route and will still be within the guidelines set forth be the TSSAA and the TMSAA as well as the county as they follow both of these. The only people who might find it appalling are the parents of kids who end up on the receiving end of Keenan, but I am thinking that they might be thinking that they should have done the same with their child. Your fourth paragraph answers your own question about why it is done. Kind of like not being able to see the forest, huh. |
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Post by stinersmom10 on Apr 18, 2007 14:06:34 GMT -5
just getting in on this, i held brance back and would do it again, and wished i would have held chris back as he really developed in strength the year after he graduated. he could jump like a rabbit at any age but had sticks for arms. it reinforces their confidence which brance really didn't lack but chris needed due to the the wonderful world of the middle school coach at the time. in the past any team that stood out in athletics that we competed against had the sideburns and arm pit carpet at the 6th grade level. you mothers know what i am talking about when your sons start getting hair under their arms and think they are men. i have never seen boys more developed than when lms ran against maryville in middle school. if they weren't older than methuselah, they were juiced. it is an advantage and the kids brance is "older" than are the same ones he has competed with since little league. you learn their faces and names, so apparently it isn't a leg up since obviously they are doing the same thing. i have found out though with the added maturity also comes the wisdom that although the extra year helps it still comes down to work ethic and discipline and maybe that is where the true advantage lies.
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Post by Cougs on Apr 18, 2007 15:16:20 GMT -5
just getting in on this, i held brance back and would do it again, and wished i would have held chris back as he really developed in strength the year after he graduated. he could jump like a rabbit at any age but had sticks for arms. it reinforces their confidence which brance really didn't lack but chris needed due to the the wonderful world of the middle school coach at the time. in the past any team that stood out in athletics that we competed against had the sideburns and arm pit carpet at the 6th grade level. you mothers know what i am talking about when your sons start getting hair under their arms and think they are men. i have never seen boys more developed than when lms ran against maryville in middle school. if they weren't older than methuselah, they were juiced. it is an advantage and the kids brance is "older" than are the same ones he has competed with since little league. you learn their faces and names, so apparently it isn't a leg up since obviously they are doing the same thing. i have found out though with the added maturity also comes the wisdom that although the extra year helps it still comes down to work ethic and discipline and maybe that is where the true advantage lies. Thank you, Stinersmom! |
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Post by Rhino on Apr 21, 2007 14:04:08 GMT -5
Two members of the Lady Cougar track team went to the Vol Classic this morning and had a reputable showing in the shot put. Rachel Lawson and Rebekah Evans finished 5th and 6th in their flight and 18th and 19th overall. This is out of 38 girls who showed and there were 6 who didn't bother coming. Rachel's best throw was 30'5" and Rebekah's was 30'2.75" and the reason that this is good is the fact that both are only sophomores. The winning throw was 36'8". The girl from Bearden who has been winning all the local meets finished 8th. Thirteen states are being represented at the Vol Classic this year, of the 8 kids who could have went to compete from CCHS only 3 went, kudos Corey Carrington. On a side note Reid at LMS would have finished in the top 8 in the 100 m dash by time.
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Post by stinersmom10 on Apr 28, 2007 9:31:27 GMT -5
a note on that, rhino, apparently Marsha didn't sign everyone up that qualified for that meet. they weren't even notified about it. i don't know if she had her own agenda that day or what, which reinforces the need for billie ann there. if you aren't going to be there for the kids all the time why be there part of the time?
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Post by Rhino on Apr 28, 2007 16:39:46 GMT -5
She was running a road race that morning. Lindsey was not notified until the day after the names had to be turned in. If Vinsant and Carrington hadn't have showed up with their numbers the two girls wouldn't have been allowed to throw. She said that she asked some of them and they had other things to do. I do agree that the dedication is lacking somewhat. The qualifications are coach imposed, anyone can go compete.
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Post by stinersmom10 on Apr 30, 2007 17:28:06 GMT -5
i know that that brance, justin or the rest of the 4x400 wasn't even asked. this is what is really ironic. brance's sophmore year he told them he and josh russell couldn't go to this same meet 2-3 weeks prior to, he did have other plans that day. she got mad at him and held him out of prep extra for punishment because greg didn't tell her brance couldn't go, he replied she was standing there when brance told him the first time. then because he had a fb scrimmage the same day as the last meet of the year and missed that one meet, didn't let him go to regionals after qualifying in 3 or 4 events. greg was a little irritated at her over this latest "it's all about me" episode. for the good ole faulkner days
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