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Post by peeblee on Oct 18, 2006 11:38:45 GMT -5
a playoff team in two years???
hope you are right, but what are you basing this on???
can you clue us in on this information???
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Post by ae2 on Oct 18, 2006 12:01:57 GMT -5
IMO, Coach Wells got us to a new level! I believe now that we need a coach to take us even higher! There is no way that he is gettin all he can outta this talent! I've been a CC fan my whole life so I do not mind watchin us lose, it's how we are losing! The offense is not even moving the ball, special teams is horrible. The defense has made strides this yr and I credit the players and Coach Shouse for that. He took alot of heat last yr! I don't care if Wells is back or not, I just think we need considerable shakeup!
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Post by Ball Coach on Oct 18, 2006 12:54:29 GMT -5
I agree ae2...I saw the offense against Bearden, and it was.....less than stellar. I know these kids are playing hard, and I hate to sould like I am criticising them because I am not. Moreover it is the system they are in and the technique with which they are playing. It was nasty in the Bearden game. Without going into a lot of detail I will stop there. peeblee knows that I know what I am talking about and if he wishes he can elaborate, but for right now I will keep quite about my scouting report of the Cougs.
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Post by peeblee on Oct 18, 2006 12:55:49 GMT -5
I am not disagreeing or agreeing with you but...
please specify teh "talent" you are referring to when you say "There is no way that he is gettin all he can outta this talent!"
and second, who could we get to come into CC and do teh job that coach wells and his staff are not (ALLEGEDLY) doing adequately???
again I am not agreeing or disagreeing on any points...
just searching/picking your brain for answers that you may already know...or just your opinion on these matters...
it makes for good discussion!!
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Post by ae2 on Oct 18, 2006 14:40:03 GMT -5
I understand peebs I will elaborate a little. When I said talent I wasnt refering to any players. I was just assuming that these kids have a little more talent than what they are showing. We have a QB with good legs and a pretty good arm. Josh Russell has caught almost everything that has come his way. Cory Minton is a super athlete. Arnold is a very good athlete as well. So, IMO the talent is there to COMPETE!!! That's where my problem comes up. We are not even competing! Secondly, to be honest I don't know anyone that we could get to come in here and turn it around. I have said in an earlier post that I don't think anyone could come in here and turn us into a playoff team yr in and yr out. I do expect a coach to come in and have a well disciplined team. That is fun to watch watch! This offense that we have now could be explosive, however false starts, dropping passes, and fumbles bite us!! That's where discipline comes in!
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Post by dwayn25 on Oct 18, 2006 16:24:39 GMT -5
I dont think Wells is a bad HC, i just dont think he should be calling the offenseive plays. U hire a WR coach like Matt or someone to help with the receivers to eliminate the dropped passes. If my sources are right, we dont even really have a WR coach. So Matt or whoever could spend all practice practicing with the WR. Justin I think would be a great QB coach or OC. The reason I say that is hes been coached under at least 3 different styles of offense (Coach K, Coach Lambert, and Maryville College) and could easily mix it up. That is the reason I would want them to come to CC. They would give some must needed energy to the team. Some question their loyalty and I see where that is coming from. I honestly don't think they would leave us high and dry like that, Ya I know they did it their SR. YR, but I think they would only do it for a better coaching job, not just to leave. IT IS THEIR HOME. I agree with AE2, i wouldnt throw them the ball if they couldnt catch. Wells definately needs some help, he dont have enough assistants. Let them come on board and give them a flippin chance at least.
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Post by Mr.LK. on Oct 19, 2006 9:21:08 GMT -5
Peeblee, I am basing my prediction on playoffs in a year or two on the grounds that there is alot of young talent in this so. class, especially on the defensive side of the ball. If you all remember, the year cc made it to the playoffs, alot of those seniors saw a tremendous amount of playing time as sophs. I think the starting cougar D right now will lose 3-4 starters. The offense will around 4-5. I think if they stick together in the followingyear or so this would be a pretty good football team.
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Post by thepat24 on Oct 19, 2006 9:31:04 GMT -5
That is a valid point with the defense. I think Wells himself would tell you that he could use more coaches as well. There was a huge difference in size between Bearden's staff and Campbell County's
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Post by Mr.LK. on Oct 19, 2006 9:41:05 GMT -5
What alot people dont know is he tried bringing in at least 2 young guys over the summer and the school board rejected them.
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Post by thepat24 on Oct 19, 2006 9:43:37 GMT -5
That does stink. You need a good staff to keep building a program.
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Post by peeblee on Oct 19, 2006 11:40:24 GMT -5
ae..you menntioned a FEW names that are contributing somewhat right now...but we all need to remember it takes more than a FEW at this level (5A) to win at a playoff level...smaller schools (2A and 3A) can build around a few good athletes...but at teh 5A level you better hae 20 or more GOOD athletes who can contribute every play...CC has ALMOST ALWAYS HAD A few GOOD ATHLETES, but once again a FEW doesnt cut it at the 5a level...
in reference to a few other posts, the dropped pases could be a result of lack of discipline...but it could also be as a result of certain players having "hands of stone"...others maybe hearing footsteps and just plain old dont want to be hit...just because they are good athletes and wear th epads and uniforms does not make them "big tough" football players...
and yes a well disciplined team can compete in a game in which theyare overmatched...undisciplined teams tend to quit or lose their concentration when itis quite obvious that they arent goint to have a chance to win...but discipline goes even farther thatn that...a player must have that same discipline off teh field as well---whether it be inthe classroom or other wise...how a player acts other places greatly influences how he will act on the practice field which results in actions on the game field...
as far as Coach Wells calling teh plays, most has head coaches serve as either the OC or DC with most being the OC...
campbell county powers that be have never let a CC head coach have teh number of assistants they actually need...and then some always leave because the pasture (whether it be coaches pay or a chance to go to a better established program) is always greener elsewhere...
why did ther school board reject those two young coaches???
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Post by dwayn25 on Oct 19, 2006 16:37:53 GMT -5
Well I personally think it would be different with the Price twins bc they are math majors and the school system could use some math majors. I know they r young and inexperienced, but I still think they would help out the team.
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Post by coachpierre on Oct 19, 2006 17:12:00 GMT -5
Here's the history of CCHS football woes in recent history:
before Wells, you had kids come out but there was no discipline, order, weight program, work ethic, structure, or anything else. the county would throw people in there to coach who didn't have much experience at the 5a level, and they would lose.
with Wells, you get the structure, discipline, weight program, film, and all the things you want in a 5a program, but you can't get kids to play b/c CC kids don't want to play football b/c it takes up too much of their valuable time.
football won't be successful in CC until the majority of kids in CC get off drugs, start giving a nuts, and take pride in their school.
dewayne wells is doing all he can, but look what he has to work with on top of having fewer kids than most 1a programs: he has barely even enough coaches (and i think 2 salaried coaches), he has vindictive parents accusing him of stuff b/c their stupid kid doesn't get to play, and on top of all that you expect him to produce a winner? if you put lesser men in that position, they'd be lucky to even keep the score close.
until you've been in the situation at CC from a closer perspective, you don't know.
there are my 2 cents. leave wells alone. he's the best you'll ever get at CC. if you want their football program to be successful, try to help out the 13 and 14 year olds who are starting to go down the wrong path to get on the right one. there's where you're losing all of your athletes.
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Post by Ball Coach on Oct 19, 2006 17:18:46 GMT -5
When Kesselring was there there was "discipline, order, weight program (better than now), work ethic, structure," and coaches with COLLEGE level experience...still didn't win!
Your statement about drugs is right on CC has a serious problem.
The accusations are still to be determined, but it is a nasty situation. I know it seems like he's guilty and has to be proven innocent in this situation which isn't fair at all.
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Post by dwayn25 on Oct 19, 2006 20:54:58 GMT -5
For u coach, i never said Wells was a bad coach, i actually said he was good. I just sadi we need more assistance and thats what this whole post is about. Its about getting him help as far as assistants and who would help the team as assistants. Everyone be sure to check in tomorrow b/c i am goin to talk to coach about the Price boys so be sure to look on here to see what he says.
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