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Post by parent of jr pro on Jan 13, 2007 22:49:14 GMT -5
that's the point. He is not over the Rec center or the Jr. Pro. He works for the city. the city owns the Rec center who has people over it, and there is a president and board over Jr. Pro. they are the ones who make rules. Mike just opens the gym on game nights, makes a schedule, and cleans up. People, Talk with the Jr. Pro board and the president of the league for the rules, not just one person. But lets get mad without injuring someone with a pole for petes sake and for the kids sake. A game can be replayed or forfeited but someines life can't.
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Post by bigkev on Jan 13, 2007 22:57:11 GMT -5
So let me fully understand this. The city of LaFollette has a recreation tacitly. It is not operated or run by a manager, director of recreational activities or some such person having a proper education and experienced background? This leaves the operation of the city run youth basketball program to a board of self aggrandizing sycophants and a over payed janitor?
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Post by parent of Jr pro on Jan 13, 2007 23:11:08 GMT -5
there is a director, Johnny Byrge. He has emplyoyees. The Jr. Pro uses the facility for their games there. Jr. Pro runs Jr. Pro. They are their own organization. It's like Boy Scouts coming to the center for a meeting. They are using the facility to meet. The facility does not make the rules for the Boy Scouts just because they use a room to meet in. Get it??
Mike is an employee of the city. not Jr. Pro. Jr. Pro is an oragnaization in of itself. Mike does not control it. He does help them with schedules of games and watches over the gym and unlocks everything for Jr. Pro because of the facility. He is on the board for Jr. Pro but there are several and there is a president of the league. The president oversees the league.
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Post by parent of Jr Pro on Jan 13, 2007 23:20:34 GMT -5
Byrge has the degree. Hangin in his office. payed janitor works hard like all of us who apparently do not have your job.. Sorry but your post insinuated to me that janitor was derogatory. It is not city run. maybe if the city had run it this would not have happened. President does not work for the city. Board does not work for the city. this is how the people wanted it.
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Post by bigkev on Jan 13, 2007 23:26:39 GMT -5
OK, Jr Pro has an agreement with the city to organize and run your basketball. The board of Jr Pro sets the standards of play, rules of eligibility and other minutia. All of this is totally autonomous of the city of LaFollette, who is simply supplying the facility. So what we now know is that Mike is in no way needed as part of the issue under discussion here. We need to blame the individual team coaches and the board of jr pro for any discrimination or ill behavior by those participating in jr pro.
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Post by bigkev on Jan 13, 2007 23:36:16 GMT -5
As to my statment regarding "over payed janitor", it was under the impression that the youth basketball program was run by the city and Mike was the appointed representative of the city. As his responsibilities were represented it seemed no different than the janitor opening up the gym on Saturday morning for practice, while having a position that would require more work and responsibility. I was in no way denigrating custodians, I was mocking those who do not earn there pay grade.
Moving to a second point I did not fully grasp, Mike dose have the power to allow or disallow a given individual playing privileges within jr pro.
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Post by parent of Jr Pro on Jan 13, 2007 23:40:56 GMT -5
IMO the parents who cussed the city employees are at fault for their actions in fornt of the kids with their mouth., anyone on the board and the president is at fault becasue they make and enforce the rules, the coaches are at fault for not discussing the gaem BEFORE it was played when they seen the kid playing. The city is at fault for not separating themselves as a non partisan entity in handling Jr. Pro rules and regulations. (If they want a president and board to make the rules then they should without trying to hold the city responsible) The parent with the pole is at fault for scaring those kids and not dealing with anger over a lie better. All parents are at fault for making a game with 7 year olds so important that kids are crying, people are threatening, and this county is way out of control. Wake up people, my nephew is in Iraq right now. Anyone want to argue how bad we are here??? Behavior is a choice we all make. We alone are responsible no matter who is in charge of the rules.
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Post by parent of Jr Pro on Jan 13, 2007 23:47:59 GMT -5
it was my misunderstanding bigkev. sorry.
No he gets the same pay as I understand it. He just opens it up[ and makes sure their are no liabilities to the city as is when he unlocks the gym, cleans the florr, bathrooms, or helps in the concession stand. there are two other employees there form the city because they have an upstairs that has business too. They just oversee the facility, but Mike is on the board and with his basketball knowledge is used by the city and Jr. Pro to make schedules which is not a great feat at all, because the city has to schedule all appointments there. There has not been a problems till now there. An undefeated team got defeated and it was not fair to them because the team that beat them had a kid who played school ball play on their team.
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Post by parent of jr pro on Jan 14, 2007 0:03:31 GMT -5
missed a part of your post earlier. Mike cannot or does not have the power to let or not let a kid play. the board as a whole votes and makes this decision. His is just the only name here because of his basketball background. the coaches have a say also. the coaches in question could have protested the player before the game. The fight did not start until the team lost. Issues started on the DEC 16 as an eaarlier post stated but apparently the issue wasn't that big of a deal until they lost. They played once before with the illegal kid and beat them and didn't cuss everybody.
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Post by Guest on Jan 14, 2007 0:29:04 GMT -5
Who gives each and every one of you all the right to point a finger at one individual or put someone down because of the job they hold? Are people honestly trying to make excuses for what Eric Griffith (I guess we can use names since you all are using other ones) did? I have heard the excuse that this "ruined" his child or "hurt" his child - maybe Mommy and Daddy's ego was hurt - the child was not physically hurt. Maybe Mommy and Daddy should be ashamed and embarrased for the way they have acted. I would hate to know that I had children and acted the way she acted and did what he did. And yes - I have heard that the child played in a few school games as well and then started jr pro - did anyone complain about this? I didn't think so.
P.S. - Does it take education, background, training, etc. to make yourself look like an idiot?
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Post by guest on Jan 14, 2007 0:36:38 GMT -5
amen
this is just jr pro people, let them all play. they are 7 years old. ALL parents should take a class in morality. Opps, that is not taught anymoe in school. It's hard to teach morality, patience, and yes, forgiveness, without God being involved and I hear he is not allowed in school so its left to the parents to teach that but, then that's not working either. darn it!
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Post by Rhino on Jan 14, 2007 1:04:50 GMT -5
I was at the Rec center the day after this happened and talked to Mike. He told me what had happened and how it was over a school ball kid playing. He said that school ball kids couldn't play while school ball was taking place and school ball was over, so the kid was allowed to play. This is how it has been for a long time. It is not Jr. Pro's rule it is the county's rule. They cannot stop a kid from playing once school ball is over. As far as allowing a kid to play that was to old that is another scenario. If Mike was there and was asked about it, it might have been his call on a snap judgement. This has been allowed in the past and nobody complained about it. Jr. Pro is for the kids but above all the coaches should be the role models for the kids. Playing your son, who could be and was, a difference maker is something that shouldn't have happened. This is the coaches fault and was not handled properly by the opposing parents.
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Post by guest on Jan 14, 2007 1:36:46 GMT -5
THANK YOU!!! These are the most sensible comments I have read on this thread. Maybe someone did lie, maybe a kid did play or maybe one didn't play. Does this really justify the behavior exhibited last weekend by a coach and his parents because they lost? Now as a result a parent has 2 felonious counts against him for aggravated assault (according to the Press). The mess only gets larger because parents cannot behave.
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Post by Rhino on Jan 14, 2007 2:07:09 GMT -5
The title of this thread doesn't entail all that it should. The coaches are actually the ones who bear the majority of the responsibility for teaching our kids. What has become the norm is the "win at all costs" attitude. When I first started coaching Jr. Pro 10 years ago, my team was more worried about getting their free Coke after the game. Most of those kids went on to play in middle and high school. They were all first year players and we absorbed more than our share of losses during the first half of the season, during the second half of the season we did much better. If coaches today realized that they are not going to get into the "hall of fame" for taking an 8-9 year old Jr. Pro team to an undefeated season it would be better for everyone. I have seen the talent level drop off in the middle and high school over the last couple of years. Jr. Pro is for the development of the individual player. When you get on into AAU then the competition becomes greater. Then you play for keeps with a hand picked team. By bringing a loaded team into Jr. Pro you might hinder another player from reaching their full potential. I would like to see a ranking system for the players and a draft to make the teams more even and intensify the competitiveness in all age groups.
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Post by Big Blue on Jan 14, 2007 2:20:54 GMT -5
Great Post! I remember those days in Jr. Pro having players setting on the bench asking if they could have popcorn or if it was time to get their team drink yet. Most people don't realize or don't care that Jr. Pro was founded by Adolph Rupp so kids could develop the fundamentals of basketball. All parents care about now is winning and that is really sad. At these young ages, we are molding our children toward their future, whether it be in sports or just life in general. I think that if we can just remember that, maybe a few things will begin to change!
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