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Post by cougars97 on Jan 18, 2007 10:52:53 GMT -5
I have seen a few Jr. Pro's that have done it. Clinton does not and the last time I was at Powell they didn't either. I think the purpose behind it is to get some points on the board. Personally I think it is stupid. That is another problem with Jr. Pro! They complicate the game so much by the rediculous rules they try to implement. Some of them in princaple I can understand like no double teaming. Makes perfect sense but put that rule in the mind of a 7 or 8 year old and they don't quite get the concept. Heck that would be hard for an adult to follow. The no guarding in back court rule I'm down with. That atleast gives each team the oppertunity to get the ball in scoring position. But saying you can't guard in the back court except for the fourth quarter but only if you are up by less than 10 points. Just complicates it too much! They need to think about the complicating factors when they make up these rules. As for the foul shots at half time! Stupid.
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Post by peeblee on Jan 18, 2007 10:58:42 GMT -5
I have seen a few Jr. Pro's that have done it. Clinton does not and the last time I was at Powell they didn't either. I think the purpose behind it is to get some points on the board. Personally I think it is stupid. That is another problem with Jr. Pro! They complicate the game so much by the rediculous rules they try to implement. Some of them in princaple I can understand like no double teaming. Makes perfect sense but put that rule in the mind of a 7 or 8 year old and they don't quite get the concept. Heck that would be hard for an adult to follow. The no guarding in back court rule I'm down with. That atleast gives each team the oppertunity to get the ball in scoring position. But saying you can't guard in the back court except for the fourth quarter but only if you are up by less than 10 points. Just complicates it too much! They need to think about the complicating factors when they make up these rules. As for the foul shots at half time! Stupid. I have never heard of this...please explain what happens/how it works...thanks!!! |
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Post by cougars97 on Jan 18, 2007 14:00:13 GMT -5
I think this is how it works. After watching them. Lets say the score is 4 to 7 at the end of the first half. All the kids from each team line up behind the free throw line and every kid gets to shoot one free throw. If team A makes 3 there total score is now 7. If team B hits 0 their score remains 7. So starting the second half it is 7 to 7. I'm not sure if it is supposed to put emphasis on making free throws or to try to get a kid some points when they wouldn't score any other way?? It's just one more rule that Jr. Pro decided to confuse people with in my opinion.
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Post by ae2 on Jan 18, 2007 14:12:06 GMT -5
I kinda like the rule with really small kids....but when they get up to 7,8,9..etc...They need to play basketball the way it was meant to be played!
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Post by thepat24 on Jan 18, 2007 16:02:49 GMT -5
I hate some of the crap rules they add in youth sports. All it is teaching them is that if something is going bad then somnebody will come make it right for you. That just doesn't work in the real world. It is almost as bad as leagues that don't keep score.
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Post by cougars97 on Jan 18, 2007 16:22:25 GMT -5
Their are leagues that don't keep score?? I think they should make parents watch from close circuit in the cafeteria but you should always keep score?
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Post by t2 on Jan 18, 2007 21:40:00 GMT -5
I have actually watched Jr. Pro games be completely turned around because of the free throw situation. I've seen as much as 8 point swings, which in some of these leagues is monumental.
With that said, there are more problems of course. Stopping the scores when teams are up by more than 10 points. Yea, the official scorebook is correct, but the clock is not... I always remembered how bad it felt when I got drilled by a team, and wanted to play harder next time.
I definitley think we can relate that concept with everyday life.... Bringing up a bunch of weak Americans aren't we.
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Post by thepat24 on Jan 19, 2007 0:23:28 GMT -5
Their are leagues that don't keep score?? I think they should make parents watch from close circuit in the cafeteria but you should always keep score? I know it is done in some areas. We mustn't hurt the children's self esteem so there are no winners or losers. |
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Post by cougars97 on Jan 19, 2007 8:21:41 GMT -5
Wow this Jr. Pro thing is really echoing the demise of American society isn't it! No winners no losers. The Man will always look out for you regardless the circumstances. And don't worry about the big bad man won't hurt you too bad because we won't let the score board get too out of control. And if things are really going wrong we will just change the rules!! When I'm 80 these kids are going to let me get turned into an arab aren't they! And it's all going to link back to Jr. Pro. I'm going to write a book!
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Post by stinersmom10 on Jan 19, 2007 15:58:23 GMT -5
i believe that it is probably a good idea for the foul shots as long as both teams have equal opportunities. as for the stupidity part, jr pro was designed to teach kids about the game of basketball and that is a part of basketball and at the next level can be a game breaker. let's see does that sound like maybe it is a good thing......?
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Post by 996bxrc on Jan 21, 2007 5:45:14 GMT -5
Did anyone who is thinking jr.pro rules are stupid see the level of play in the elementary school county basketball tournament???
You can probably count on one hand the number of kids in the whole tournament that didn't get most of thier fundamental skills by playing a couple of years of jr.pro....and i haven't seen a single one of the elementary ball players have a hard time making the transition from jr.pro rules...all of jr.pro rules (even the ones regarding press and the half time foul shots) are to make it easier for the kids to at least have a chance to do what they are supposed to with the basketball. I guarantee any parent who has had a kid in jr.pro who never got a chance to score on the floor loves the halftime free throws.
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Post by Big Blue on Jan 21, 2007 7:51:25 GMT -5
Finally, it's good to see that theres someone who understands why Jr. Pro does some of the things that they do. Kudos to stinersmom10 and 996bxrc, sounds like you have had children in Jr. pro or played yourself. Without Jr. pro, millions of kids would never start or would quit playing basketball before they are able to really get involved deeply with the game. A love and compassion for the game is born in Jr. pro for alot of kids that wind up being fantastic high school, college and pro athletes.
You don't start out running marathons when you are born, you don't start quoting Socrates and Shakespeare at the age of 1 and the reason that Jr. Pro exists, is for kids to make a transition into the game of basketball. How many children at the age of 5, 6 or 7 could develop in the game the way that they should if they were playing on a 10' goal.
As with everything in life, Jr. Pro has it's problems with it's rules and policies. That's why they are adjusted from year to year, just like Little League Baseball or any other major youth sports organization. So instead of complaining about Jr. Pro, stay involved and believe me, alot of the coaches around here need to spend some time in Jr. Pro learning how to coach just like the kids have to learn how to play. It is a learning process for all of us, let's just remember that, OK?
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Post by lothar on Jan 22, 2007 12:55:57 GMT -5
I'm all for Junior Pro. But I am all for doing it right and not having this keep it close so we don't bruise anybody's self esteem pablum
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Post by cougars97 on Jan 22, 2007 15:49:02 GMT -5
I agree. bigblue wrote everything in a way that makes it hard to argue. I would venture to say you are a democrat also but that is for another message board. Jr. Pro is in this political correct quagmire! Make rules to keep things close and "easy" so you don't get a parent swinging a pole at your cranium. But because of those rules you get a parent swinging away! All I am saying is your not always going to score (life is not a frat party), your deffinately not always going to win and I don't think we should start instilling these thoughts in kids that are as young as Jr. Pro. I played Jr. Pro all the way to middle school where I finally made the team at Jacksboro and I did have a very hard time adjusting to the 10' rims and, what is this, people guarding me in back court?  I do agree with the 9' goals for the little ones but when you are around 3rd grade you need to be playing like the big boys. But that should be the only difference in the game. Somehow this string got to a debate about rules and is now illustrating the actual problem with Jr. Pro. Lets overlook the parents, the true problem, and start arguing about rules. Parents are the problem regardless what the rules are!!!!!!!!!! They should be banned from the gym and forced to watch on close circuit television in the caffeteria!! Can you tell I called some Jr. Pro over the weekend!! |
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Post by Big Blue on Jan 23, 2007 10:21:05 GMT -5
Good post cougars97. First of all, I AIN'T NO DEMOCRAT!!!! And I'm not a republican either. I am a registered independent. And I don't want to be associated with either party!
I think that the elementary program can provide the transition that the kids need before they get to middle school. They probably didn't have it when you were playing. For many years there wasn't funding to have it, yeah right? You have still hit the nail right on the head though, the parents are the root of all the problems. There is normally 8 or 9 good parents out of 10 associated with a team. Unfortunately, those 1 or 2 corrupt the others and they are like a cancer that destroys the rest of the bunch.
I don't envy you having to call Jr. Pro games and I applaud you for doing so. Remember, alot of our future athletes will come out of that program and there are several good kids involved. If we provide what they need to succeed, they will make a difference in our future.
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