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Post by Big Blue on Nov 11, 2006 23:35:30 GMT -5
Once again, seems there is another typical UT fan. I just love the way some of the more senior people on this board have all of the knowledge about everything, especially UT sports. Of course, nothing wrong ever happens at UT (extreme sarcasm) and every other school does all of the wrong. I have tried to express the fact that this is not a UT bashing thread, but just to bring some of the facts out and hope that some people wouldn't be so naive to throw rocks when you live in a glass house! Where I choose to work is a matter of a job to provide for my family and has nothing to do with UT sports or yourself. If you are a student at UT and are really this blind to what actually goes on at a major University, that is really sad.  This should not be a mud slinging issue, I was merely expressing my opinion and a few FACTS! |
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Post by Ainge 4 Heisman on Nov 11, 2006 23:45:38 GMT -5
First of all, I would like to say that Foster went on the radio because he represents the university by putting on the jersey. He was appologizing to the fan base for not meeting the standards set. Your never going to see your average student majoring in nursing go on the sports animal and appologize for getting drunk and failing a test. Matter of fact, you prolly wont see a third stringer go on air and do that. The only reason Foster went to the media is because he understands he is a role model and was doing the right thing.
Second of all, if Mike Hamilton is ok with the punishment dealed out, why cant you be? I dont know if you are aware of this but he is a pretty high ranking member in the athletic department.
Thirdly, I dont think any of us have said that Tennessee is anywhere near being a "City on a Hill" if I may. We have had our troubles, and I think all of the punishment has been fitting of the crime.
Janitors work at the University, that dont mean they know any more than me.
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Post by Big Blue on Nov 12, 2006 0:03:35 GMT -5
First of all, I agree with your first paragraph.
Secondly, Mike Hamilton has no more control of the athletes when there are big decisions to be made than Phil does.
Third, that is nothing like you were talking in your earlier posts. Why would you suspend a player for half of a ballgame anyway, that's really teaching him a lesson, right? The football team shows their lack of respect for the program by their actions, because they know that there are not major repercussions for their actions.
And last but not least, there are more jobs there than janitors. ;D
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Post by Cobrastyle on Nov 12, 2006 0:19:00 GMT -5
Sorry for ever doubting you because its very obvious you were there. Forget the police report that I read, I would always go with an eye witness acount. Im just wondering, did they talk to you to get an account?You're impossible. I'm really surprised that there hasn't been much talk about what happened last Sunday morning and the (so called) discipline that followed. I know Phil has taken a beating this week on the radio. Even Rome wasted no time jumping on Phil. Rome suggested that maybe next time just suspend them for the coin toss or the pre-game warm-up!Might as well. No discipline comes from that. I don't see why they didn't give each player the same punishment. Probably because only one is critical for the team. Yeah, they would definately miss them the most.  I agree. |
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Post by Ainge 4 Heisman on Nov 12, 2006 0:35:45 GMT -5
Just to clear up what I said about missing Wardlow and Holbert the most, Tennessee did just fine without Foster while he was out. Coker was coming back for the Arkansas game and Hardesty isnt any worse than Foster. Coker is obviously the best back at UT right now, so it wasnt like we were losing a star. Yancey is quicker than Foster so if need be he could have come in and given some relief to someone. If Anderson had gotten hurt tonight, who would have taken his place. As for Wardlow, he is a great special teams player and always seems to be near the punter on punt coverage. In fact, I think he is the guy that blocked the punt against Georgia. Whats your case for Foster?
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Post by axle on Nov 12, 2006 10:04:52 GMT -5
Ok I'm over at the Universtiy everyday too and I talk to people that work at the University and it looks like you are just the saem bigblue. Everyone of them think they know everything and they say the university does everything wrong and how Fulmer should be fired and how the university should do this and that and if it was u then u would do this and that. If you dont like the way things are working at the university and how they do things, then find a job at another university or something. U dont know what went on there no more than ne of us. If Foster said he was just trying to break up the fight, then I believe him. He admitted he shouldve did it different, but it was too late. As far as goin on the radio and everything the day after, he did the right thing. U think he was doing it to cover up stuff? Give me a break. He was probably goin on the air so it wouldnt get blew out of proportion. brucepearl4pres is right, know what is goin on before u start talking it. U want to talk about Lee Smith, he was never goin to see the field ne ways, but Brooks sure was and Phil kicked him off the team too. He was picked to be one of the best in the conference and he got kicked off. Dont sit there and talk about crap u dont know ne thing about. UT police love to get all over the athletes just so they can say they arrested them and stuff. THe police over there are just jerks. Like I said if u dont like the way the university handles things, then find somewhere else to work. Ok. I was a student at UT and I have been going down to campus to party for many years. I have never seen the police just being jerks. They have a lot to put up with and unless you're falling down drunk or fighting they're pretty content just to leave you alone. And as far as them being out to get athletes, I have never seen or heard anything that would make me think that is the case. |
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Post by ae2 on Nov 12, 2006 21:13:38 GMT -5
IMO, this is a minor incident that is blown outta wack, becouse of UT's past! Is that fair, I think so! Phillip Fulmer does not have a very good record handling these kind of situations. I do think he handled this correctly,but with his past, everyone is gonna second guess, which is perfectly legit.
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Post by Mr.LK. on Nov 12, 2006 21:58:32 GMT -5
I just want to know if anyone remembers Phillip Fulmer and his zero tolerence policy that he said was now in affect at the University of Tennessee? Yes this was a minor incident, yes, it may have been blown out of proportion,but when he says "zero tolerance" and does the suspension for one half, that definitely raises some questions on his disciplinary actions.
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Post by ae2 on Nov 12, 2006 23:40:01 GMT -5
Kinda reminds me of Urban Meyer's handling of some situations this yr......interesting!
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Post by Ainge 4 Heisman on Nov 13, 2006 0:00:29 GMT -5
BURN. . . Like I said, Hamilton agreed with the actions taken. What more do you want? Besides, we all know that in addition to the game suspensions or half suspension or w/e, all three of these kids have probably earned a spot in the breakfast club, and thats no fun at all.
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Post by Big Blue on Nov 13, 2006 9:26:18 GMT -5
I just want to know if anyone remembers Phillip Fulmer and his zero tolerence policy that he said was now in affect at the University of Tennessee? Yes this was a minor incident, yes, it may have been blown out of proportion,but when he says "zero tolerance" and does the suspension for one half, that definitely raises some questions on his disciplinary actions. Your exactly right there zooker. Phil said after last season that there was a "zero tolerance" and these type of issues wouldn't happen anymore, (hence the Lee Smith incident for example). When push comes to shove and you get down to winning or losing football games, the rules change on the fly. |
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Post by Ball Coach on Nov 13, 2006 11:48:39 GMT -5
You don't kick kids off the team for disorderly conduct. That was Foster's only charge...from what I understand he was trying to make peace and was caught in the middle. The other two were disorderly, PI, and underage...they have a harsher punishment. I think we "HAD" some problems in the past, but this season the staff has really cracked down.
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Post by peeblee on Nov 13, 2006 12:47:22 GMT -5
If a police officer tells me to leave then that is exactly what i should do...a warning which was not heeded...Fostor allegerdly yelled, cursed and shoved someone else after the verbal warning...yes it was suposedly his teammate but the fact is that the police officer had told them to leave..had they done so this incident would never have happened...respect "MY autoir -a-TIE!!!
fulmers handling does seem to lack uniformity...but he (not any of us) met with those involved, heard their stories, and made his decision based upon that (plus I am quite sure he read the police report too)...fulmer is the head coach and is given teh autority to make certain decisions, including disciplining his players...yes he did seem to go against his "zero tolerance" statement...but so do many other coaches...does that make it right...of course not....
regardless of where you work or attend classes what one hears is not always "gospel" and in most cases is usually just plain old gossip....
I feel quite qualified to make a statement like that...afterall, I have lived in CC all my life and I have been part of teh school system for almost 35 years and have been at CCHS since 1982...I think those facts qualify my previous statement about gossip... unless one is an insider to all meetings and discussions of administration or have access to written or recorded statements made at such meetings, then all else is nothing more thatn speculation or gossip!!!
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Post by Ainge 4 Heisman on Nov 13, 2006 16:26:50 GMT -5
AMEN!
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Post by Ball Coach on Nov 13, 2006 20:25:20 GMT -5
I'll amen that too peeb, none of us know all the details etc. of the situation.
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