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Post by cougars97 on Mar 19, 2007 13:29:37 GMT -5
Well I see now that the AAU season is going to be an extension of Jr. Pro. I thought that AAU would somehow be at a higher standard than their Jr. Pro counter part but I was wrong! I heard a coach this past weekend, I am working VERY hard not to put his name in this thread, tell a 12 or 13 year old boy to chuck an elbow at an apposing player. He should be ashamed of himself. Not the player, the coach. The player can be ashamed of himself later in life if he ends up like the great basketball mind that is instructing him to act this way!
If I were Bill O Riley I would call for a boycott of anything monetarily associated with him! Unfortunately I don’t have the pull of Bill but I’m pushing for the boycott anyway!
Aren’t we supposed to be helping the cream of the crop players rise to the next level and improve their games playing against stronger competition during the off season so they will perform better in the upcoming season? Oh wait, never mind we are supposed to teach them to cheat to win and cause bodily harm to other 12 and 13 year olds! I always get that wrong. Sorry for the confusion.
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Post by sportsnut on Mar 19, 2007 19:35:53 GMT -5
Boy, am I glad that my boy doesn't play for him. That's absolutely disgusting! I'm also sure that there are a lot of parents who wouldn't want their kid playing for him either.
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Post by Big Blue on Mar 20, 2007 8:52:39 GMT -5
We really shouldn't be surprised at this type of action. People are so obsessed with winning now that even at an early age, some coaches (if you can call them that) teach our kids to cheat and do whatever it takes to win.
How much farther can things get out of hand?
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Post by thepat24 on Mar 20, 2007 9:29:51 GMT -5
I don't think we can condem AAU as a whole for the action of one coach.
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Post by bigorange1 on Mar 21, 2007 19:58:03 GMT -5
Well I see now that the AAU season is going to be an extension of Jr. Pro. I thought that AAU would somehow be at a higher standard than their Jr. Pro counter part but I was wrong! I heard a coach this past weekend, I am working VERY hard not to put his name in this thread, tell a 12 or 13 year old boy to chuck an elbow at an apposing player. He should be ashamed of himself. Not the player, the coach. The player can be ashamed of himself later in life if he ends up like the great basketball mind that is instructing him to act this way! If I were Bill O Riley I would call for a boycott of anything monetarily associated with him! Unfortunately I don’t have the pull of Bill but I’m pushing for the boycott anyway! Aren’t we supposed to be helping the cream of the crop players rise to the next level and improve their games playing against stronger competition during the off season so they will perform better in the upcoming season? Oh wait, never mind we are supposed to teach them to cheat to win and cause bodily harm to other 12 and 13 year olds! I always get that wrong. Sorry for the confusion. I don't know if this is the same person your talking about that i am thinking it is, but if it is i have to stand up a little in his defense. First of all, in this game elbows had been thrown the whole game by the opposing team. Our kids were being beaten to death. I think the coach had just had enough and said something he wished he hadn't. Everyone does. No, i don't agree with alot of things this coach does or says but it should have been stopped before it come to the point of him saying elbow them back. (Evidently you were one of the refs there)....... |
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Post by sportsnut on Mar 22, 2007 8:25:33 GMT -5
Even if there were elbows being thrown, that doesn't justify a coach telling his players to play dirty does it? A person that would do that doesn't have any business coaching!
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Post by cougars97 on Mar 22, 2007 9:30:38 GMT -5
"I don't know if this is the same person your talking about that i am thinking it is, but if it is i have to stand up a little in his defense. First of all, in this game elbows had been thrown the whole game by the opposing team. Our kids were being beaten to death. I think the coach had just had enough and said something he wished he hadn't. Everyone does. No, i don't agree with alot of things this coach does or says but it should have been stopped before it come to the point of him saying elbow them back. (Evidently you were one of the refs there)......."
Are you serious??? Your kids were being beat to death?? I find that very funny. We had called a few games that day and over the past week and the only problem we had was that one.
I guess in that game I decided, and collaborated with my partner, to attempt to cheat Lafollette. Because we seriously get together before every game and decide who is going to win ahead of time under the instruction of the President of the United States. Because that is how things secretly work in the mysterious brotherhood of officials. I bet you didn’t know that it was that complex. We are working on a book that will rival the success of the Da Vinci Code! Look for it in Wal-Mart later this week. I would say Target but that would be a long drive!
Since you are pointing me out as one of the officials I am assuming that you were the person that screamed “you are going to get someone hurt out there”. This is another statement made on a regular basis that amazes me every time I hear it. Let’s think about if for a second if you have time. Little Johnny gets cracked in the face with one of those deadly elbows that were flying around that day. I blow my whistle just as his eye pops out of his socket and rolls down to the concession stand. I blew my whistle but he is still hurt correct? Was that not my fault because I blew my whistle? Or would it have only been my fault if I had not preemptively blown my whistle to prevent the action from happening in the first place?
The comment quoted above by the parent pushing the blame off on ME is a big problem in youth sports! You never own up to the fact that sometimes you lose or make mistakes because YOU caused them. You lost so it must have been someone else’s fault. Heaven forbid you own up to your own actions and results of those actions.
I guess I should apologize for calling a horrible game and screwing Lafollette out of the championship. Because it was definitely my fault and for that I am very sorry. The fact they had played two games back to back had nothing to do with it!!
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Post by sportsnut on Mar 22, 2007 13:45:10 GMT -5
Well, now that we know which coach you are talking about, that explains a lot. This coach has been trouble no matter what sports he has tried to coach for a few years now. I am not going to mention his name, but no matter whether it's on the baseball diamond or the basketball court, the lack of sportsmanship that he has displayed in the past is inexcusable. What is really surprising is that there are select parents that continue to expose their children to this type of behavior.
What type of athlete will they grow up to be now?
When will someone take a stand and not let him coach anymore?
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Post by thepat24 on Mar 23, 2007 9:12:26 GMT -5
Look just because a coach had an incident where he said to throw elbows doesn't make him a bad coach. I am sure if John Turnblazer, Vic King, or John Brown had a team out on the hardwood that was taking a beating and the refs were letting it go on that they may well have said the same thing.
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Post by cougars97 on Mar 23, 2007 13:59:13 GMT -5
It may not make him a bad coach but it does, in my opinion, make him a bad person. I would hope that none of the coaches that thepat mentioned would ever tell a 12 or 13 year old to intentionally try to hurt another player. I know two of them personally and doubt they would do anything like that. I played in one of their head coaching debuts!
I’m not saying bad coach or good coach. I’m saying bad person and bad ethics to show to young kids. If you want to tell a young adult or college player to throw an elbow that player should be mature enough to decide whether or not this is a good decision and make a conscious choice what to do. But the frameworks for those decisions are laid when you are younger and coming up through the ranks. I bet Ron Artest was told it was told to throw a bow in his day coming up?? We all see that worked out well for him!!
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Post by thepat24 on Mar 23, 2007 14:03:52 GMT -5
I wasn.t necissarily saying they would but I am saying that sometimes folks do things in the heat of a game the battle you never know what a coach may say.
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Post by bigorange1 on Mar 23, 2007 15:43:17 GMT -5
Hey Cougars97, you are wrong on all counts. I wasn't the one that yelled your going to get them hurt. (I think that was one of the opposing teams parents). I know it was as a matter of fact. She was sitting at the end of the bleachers by the concession stand. Actually, i didn't yell anything at all. After i read your quote, i just had to respond. I am not taking up for this coach either. I was just saying i understand why he said it.
Another thing, you seem pretty upset with our team for some reason other than that.....No one is accusing you of being the reason we got beat. Chill out........If you just don't like our coach, don't take it out on our team...
One other thing, Pat I am glad (someone other than this teams parents) can understand where I am coming from......
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Post by lothar on Mar 26, 2007 15:35:17 GMT -5
Elbowing happens in basketball.
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Post by ccfan on Mar 26, 2007 19:42:39 GMT -5
actully if you come down on the correct stance with, yes, elbows out, after getting a rebound and pivoting correctly on your foot, it is a legal, yes, elbow throw. i see in all the time in hs. and if done correctly it is not called by the official. many parents see someone pivoting with elbows extended and scream that they are throwing elbows, i hear players calling that clearing out. i was not at this game so I don't know if it was a leagal throw or not, but officials do have a responsibility in games to keep the peace and keep the kids safe.
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Post by Mr.LK. on Mar 27, 2007 8:25:38 GMT -5
agreed ccfan the pivot with the bows out is completely legal.
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